So since final night i have been trying to understand the concept behind Camielles gown. I have watched the dvd a couple times. I just watched it with my mom(of all people).. and she got it right off the bat. The gown was a potato and was a Mrs Potato head... Leave it to supportive mothers to figure it out... haha.. Just thought I would share lol

whatever it was it was not executed very well.

lol agreed.. but i still just couldn't figure it out lol

I thought it was a charicature of herself. I didn't see how it had anything to do with Mr Potato head.

It looked just like her and I don't think she looks like Miss Potato head

I thought it was her OR her drag mother...I didn't see the potato thing either. But then again I was fixated on how horrible it was.

it makes since tho now that i look at it after my mom said that.... cause it had the green covering over it(grass)... a potato was growing in the ground... the guy harvested it.... and boom.. lol... still t was hideous.. but i get it lol

Well the face was very clearly dark brown/black. The only potatoes I've ever eaten were white with yellowish brown or red skin.

But I guess whatever it is if it requires a thread on this website to discuss what it was supposed to be it wasn't executed very well. LOL

i dont care what it was supposed to be it was a hot mess. lol

I know most of you guys did not like her gown...but I thought it was the only creative evening wear of all the contestants....the rest were gowns you could see in any pageant system out there....

just my two cents.

I agree that it was definitely one of the more creative gowns. I have to say that for me, EOY was an amazing pageant but gown was a slight letdown. I'm with louisianaeoy 100% that a lot of the gowns we saw can be seen in any pageant system.

When Deangela and I discussed her prelim gown, we thought it was going to be the weak one... because even though it is beautiful, she felt it wasn't creative enough and was worried about wearing it. In actuality she (in my opinion) had one the best prelim gowns, not because hers was so great, but because a lot of the others just weren't creative or correct in the fit/presentation.

So I do credit Camille for trying to think outside of the box and be creative... but unfortunately it was just too complex and not presented well enough for the audience and judges to understand and appreciate where she was going with it.

What was creative about Camilles gown?

I think what makes a great EOY gown is a gown that CAN BE WORN IN OTHER SYSTEMS. Just because it's creative doesn't mean the beauty has be gone. In fact most your points in gown are from things like modeling, fit, accessories and things that you would be judged on in any system. To achieve creativity you must not only think out of the box but execute it as well. Creativity can come from the way it's presented, to the way it's modeled. DeAngela, to me, had the most creative evening wear. Because that presentation was sickening. Had that cover up been stoned or had some sort of volume to it, she would have done better in the category.

Anyway, don't want to ramble but I think that's the myth that hurts EOY as far as contestant numbers. So many people think that if you're not this off the wall quirky or creative person you don't fit. Thats not the truth. In fact EOY is the only system that's all inclusive. Camp Queens, Trannys, boy queens, Androgynous Drag, all of it has a place in the system.

What did everyone think of Layla's gown with the money and coming out of the safe?

I LOVED IT!! That and the girl that had the gown made of Postit notes were my two favorite of the week in terms of "creativity" BUT, I'll stick to what I said on Twitter. Not sure who it was made for but as you can clearly see in the video as well it was HUGE. Way to big...Whitney Paige could probably fit into that gown!

Amazing Idea, the best presentation. However, I think once it got to fit and modeling she was a little off. She didn't have any shape. I'm thinking Money is very hard to shape and model, kinda like using hair. It just goes straight down.

But when that safe opened the crowd lost there mind.

I did figure out Camille was trying to achieve part of the Potato Head family. I believe it went something like this (on the 3rd time seeing it), "Is that supposed to be a potato or something . . . why is she being watered?" I thought the potato face looked like Kitty Litter.

I think part of the unique quality to EOY is the whole concept of Creative Evening Wear. The category as outlined on the website states: "This Category is to show creativity and individuality. The Contestant is NOT limited to an Evening Gown. Scores are given for: Presentation, Poise, Hair & Make-up, Fit, Coordination, Creativity, and General Appearance."

The first sentence says it all. Creativity and individuality. Granted, what is worn is scored on fit and coordination, however, in my mind it is NOT something that could be worn in another system and fit in. It should be something that is outside the box and original. What is original about something that could be scored well in MGA, USofA or Continental? IMHO nothing. The gowns that are presented in those systems are beautiful and, most time, expensive. But that doesn't make them creative.

I think that Nina's gown last year is the epitome of what is Creative Evening Wear followed somewhat by Angelique's. However, we all have a different concept of creative and the idea behind many competitors' choices clearly fit into the category description.

Regards!

And who can ever forget DeeRanged's gown made from neckties....NOW THAT IS CREATIVE!!

Creative Evening Wear....the name says it all......and as someone posted....what exactly is "creative" about an off the rack liquid beaded gown? Sorry in my opinion a CoCo Vega FAILS EPICLY with regards to creativity. Yes a CoCo is Glamorous and elegant......Yes a CoCo is stoned for the gods and OVER TOP with regard to style....but think about it.......is it REALLY CREATIVE when one thinks what is expected in EOY.....Granted Creative Evening Wear shouldn't be a costume ( as I've figured out at long last), but there is no reason you cannot take a standard gown design and give it a creative twist........or take something ethnicly/culturally inspired and give it a whole new look......ladies we're not just limited to silk/satin and beads here...drag is ART....THINK ABOUT IT...what else could be used to make a gown...several challenges from past seasons of Project Runway come to mind here...not to mention a episode of Rupaul's Drag Race......THINK MATERIALS ONE MIGHT NOT EXPECT TO BE USED TO MAKE A GOWN.....if it is WELL MADE, FITS U 2 A "T" and is CREATIVE, you have a great potential "winner" if you work it properly on the runway.......

And if I do EOY in 2009-2010 I already have some really sickeningly creative ideas going through my twisted mind and for those who already know me in my neck of the woods I've already established a reputation for being creative........and thinking outside the box

Love & respect: Bianca DeMonet

Thats the problem...the name. If you go in there thinking you are going to win the category because you have and ubber creative gown then you are sadly mistaken. Dee's necktie gown was very creative. Did she win? She won with a very creative presentation but the gown itself was toned down.

I understand what the catergory description says, but next time you compete in EOY look at the score sheet, and look at the point break down.

Don't be fooled because the catergory is creative evening wear. Look at Nina's gown. Sickening presentation. But the gown can go to any pageant system.

Further proof that it is about the way you look. Raquel tied for 1st place in prelims for Evening gown. She wore the same gown she won UsofA in. If you're going to rank them for creativity she would be at the bottom of the list.

Bianca didn't have the most creative gown. The Cover up was creative, the presentation with the fan was sickening. But the gown just showed how Beautiful she is. She looked amazing and modeling that gown DOWN. And she WON the category.

She's smart and understood the scoresheet.

Also, the judges hated DeeRanged's tie gown. That was the year she won every category but gown and lost to Erica Andrews.

Actually she wore the tie gown on prelim night the year Erica won and it was the second year that she wore it.

Final night she wore her Coca Cola gown. She didn't deserve to win gown but she did deserve to win the pageant but alas Erica was crowned.

No, she originally wore it in 2003. She wore it both nights, but did not win creative evening wear either night. She wore it again prelim night 2006 and then switched to the Coke gown for final night. 2006 she won presentation, Q&A, and final night talent . . . finished 1st runner-up to E.A.

In 2003 Nina DiAngelo won prelim night creative evening wear and Whitney Paige won final night's.

Yea, you are right Andy.

I thought Dee deserved to win that year too.

I disagree.....I think Dee had issues and that is the reason she lost. I do believe Erica was the true winner that year. Just my opinion.

Folks, stop deluding yourselves. The judges are the problem here. They are not fully versed in what is expected and what is stated in the category description. Face it, they are all cut from the same cloth and do not take into regard what is presented to the contestants. Granted, some of the gowns that were outstanding could go to other systems to some extent. Nina's gown was nothing when it came to Creative Evening Wear without the whole "living train" aspect. Yes, the gown was exquisite in of itself but I think that was Nina being extremely careful to a point. The concepts behind the necktie gown, the coca-cola gown and even Layla's money gown were what is spot on when it comes to originality and creativity. Fit issues and the like are what can be counted against the contestants but not the overall concept.

Until everyone starts to think outside the box...ESPECIALLY the judges, then the whole idea will not fly. That, in itself, is the fault of George and Eddie not making sure the judges are more focused on the category's requirements as stated.

Regards!

Khori I usually agree with most things you say on here, but I find myself leaning more towards Tyler on this one. I think Camille's gown was creative and I don't really think the key is to have a gown that can be used in other systems... if it can, that's great... but I also think EOY allows enough creativity that you can wear something you wouldn't be able to get away with in other systems... and still win the category IF it's done correctly.

I do understand your point though, and it's not ONLY about creativity. Layla is a prime example of that for final night this year. I thought her gown itself and the way she presented it was sickening, and honestly one of the most creative of the whole weekend. But it just didn't fit correctly. And that cost her major points. Had it fit the way it should, I bet she would have won that category, even over Bianca.

But could she take that same gown to MGA and do just as well? Probably not. It might be considered too over the top or too much of a costume.

I agree that if you have to have a thread to discuss what her gown was it didn't go over very well. But one thing for sure is that she will be back again next year. I use to think that question and answer was her weakness, but she has overcome that. Last year it was her talent and this year I think it was her gown and talent. Maybe she will do Andy's prelim next year and he can lead her in the right direction. She just needs to be polished. Andy do you have your polishing cloth ready? LOL

This thread has just made me giggle for three days now! LOL People have been sending me texts and we talked about it last night at our EOY DVD party but alas it comes down to this:

George and Eddie when they created the system obviously decided that they didn't want a "clown costume" category so they made evening gown worth 50 points and creativity worth 25 points.

Then, one year they decided apparently that they wanted the winner to be more talented (won't say which year, LOL) so they added 20 more points to the talent category and made evening gown worth 40 points and creativity worth 15.

So Tyler while I normally agree with you..... you are completely out in left field here. LOL The judges they picked followed THEIR scoresheets and I did a remarkable job I believe. And I'm not just saying that because my girls finished 1st and 2nd in evening gown. LOL

SO, if anyone out there wants to see some ridiculous gown category where the girls come out and clown and look foolish start your won system and make Creativity 40 points out of 40 total points in gown and that's what you'll get.

This is like the three bears. It's too hot, its too cold and then its JUSSSSSST Right! And in this case I thik it's JUST RIGHT!

The scoring points allocation was in the more recent years if I remember correctly. I believe Nina D.'s talent was out of 500 (2003) and DeeRanged's talent was out of 600 (2007), so I'm going to say somewhere between there. lol

There are very rarely any creative gowns in EOY and when they do arrive it is usually done by Camille. A creative gown/evening wear should be based on the originality, design, materials used and construction....not the presentation. Also, the only pageant you should be able to wear a creative gown/evening wear is in a pageant that calls for that cateagory!

Andy, be that as it may, I was quoting what how the category is outlined on the website. Is it different in the Contestant Handbook? As the name implies, I believe that it should be CREATIVE and not just something that could be worn after 6 or in another system. It could be creative and still not be a clown costume. And, just because someone won the category it doesn't necessarily mean they followed the parameters of how it is particularly outlined.

However, as has been stated, the scores are the scores.

Regards!

No one is arguing about the category description...Thats just a description to give you an idea of where to start. The sub categories and point breakdown are whats important.

Creativity is only 20% of your gown score. And if I remember correctly thats in the presentation part of the gown. The rest of the points, the other 80%, are no different than what you'll get scored on in any other system. Right or wrong, thats just the facts.

I think the name "creative evening wear" is just a bit deceiving.

I've sifted through some of the comments.....and I have to say .......many of them are rather harsh .....or downright ...."uncalled" for .

Admittingly , I was one of those who didn't really understand my niece's gown , and I was a bit bewildered, but , without a doubt.... HER CREATIVITY is endless. She sits hours on in , dreaming up and constructing concepts that EOY only get a glimpes of .

Those of us in ST.LOUIS, are always amazed at the creations of CAMILLE ...and I personally applaud her efforts to think "outside the box" , WIN , LOSE or DRAW .

IMO, the execution was a bit "obscured" and granted it lacked elegance and true understanding, but NO WHERE else but at EOY.....can entertainers "DO THEIR THING" .....that way the want to . Other pageantry systems would not have recongnized the CREATIVITY and overall presentation intent .

When I asked CAMILLE , what was she thinking ..she simply said .... "BEING CREATIVE" . I chuckled and said .... ALRIGHT BITOCH" .......

Still a bit confused .....but appreciative of what she contributes to the notion of "CREATIVITY" .. !

For the record ...NO it was not meant to be KITTY, CAMILLE or SHAYLA ..... it was just a "FACE" .....and the TITS were the "UPDO" with highlights .

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VICKI VALENTINO

P.S. With "FLAWS and ALL ............LAYLA LARUE's was my FAVORITE .....the PRESENTATION of it .... was ... AWESOME ....! Too bad it was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to BIG ... !

Now I'm really confused...so it wasn't a potato? Then why were they watering a face?

And I agree Layla clearly had the most creative gown and presentation of it. However like everyone mentioned. It was lose.

Creativity is not the SAME to everyone. One person's creativity is another's trash. It is up to each individual judge to use his/her own take on the category. As Khori and Andy have stated the "Creative" part of the category is only 20 percent of the total. How exactly would you tell a judge what is creative and what is not? That is when you would start down the road of rigging. Just sayin....

So I'm Now LEARNING that Creativity means NOTHING AT EOY, when it comes to the Gown. So you just need a Pretty Gown that you can wear at any other system and a Creative Presentation.

That SUCKS but it makes sense when you see the score year to year for Gowns.

Oh no.. Im at a loss Khori... lol... Vickie. clear this up... was it a Potato ? Or whhat?? haha.. Im soo confuseddd..

.......LOL..... ...

ME TOO ........................I'll ask her again .... !

Then George and Eddie need to change the name of the category since that is TOTALLY misleading. Also, revamping the description should be done also. I don't care what the breakdown is, even seasoned contestants still like the "creative" part.

Regards!

Creativity means a lot at EOY. They just want your creativity to be classy and tasteful. I look at it as a catagory that you can totally think outside the box. You don't want to wear anything that seems like a costume or that you wouldn't wear to a nice elegant evening out. Creativity means a lot more than having something flashy on it. I think Bianca's gown and Raquel hit the nail on the head. They were creative and still could be worn out or in another system. Raquel really showed that because she has used the checker board gown at USofA and Universial Show Queen. The problem is people are thinking too much about the word creative. I don't think Eddie and George need to edit the description of the catagory. I think promoters and contestants need to talk about this together and use some good old common sense.

YES!!!! the best post of this thread.

I was definately proud of Layla in gown. I designed the gown and concept..told her that I wanted her to do the whole thing....she got the shell and I did all the beading, stoning and "moneying" as well as jewels.......we had the vault built..so we were very proud of the execution...and presentation...it did everything we wanted....

I have not seen the video and I was backstage with the loading guys helping put it all together...I had time to just brush the dollars..and see her walk on stage...so honestly I did not see the fit...or even notice an issue...she looked amazing backstage.........

But thanks everyone for the comments on the presentation and idea...etc....

I do think that EOY is very deceptive in the naming of the category....

But Khori..I don't agree with your idea that a creative gown in EOY should be able to wear in other systems... to me...those gowns are not CREATIVE in other systems....but I do understand what you think about the subcategory values....and that is why I think calling EOY gown Creative Gown is just not the appropriate category title.

And quite honestly.... While Raquel was soooo lovely..that gown was not creative, it was somewhat a copy of Chelsea's blue one, just in a different color...same idea.....and Bianca was not creative at all....I mean..a cover up and rhinestoned lace???

BUT I DO UNDERSTAND NOW WHY THOSE SCORED HIGH...IT MAKES SENSE WITH THE SUBCATEGORIES....CREATIVITY IS NOT WEIGHTED TOO MUCH.....SO i GET IT NOW....

Creativity is in the eye of the beholder.. lets be honest.. if u can't find it on a shelf and it is ur ideas then it is ur special creation.. it is creative.. look back at the history of the system.. Monica;s gown.. lovely black gown with white colar and puffed sleves.. also got silkie 1st ru at Continental.. Maya Douglas was DEFINITLY creatvie with the color choices on her purple orange gown (who had ever put orange and purple together for gown)... Daisy won with a asian inspired ball gown.. raven and the peacock idea.. no fire works or head pieces... they were great fitting , well executed gowns that had a slight edge to them.. that is appearently what the system is looking for.. if u want a creative costume then head over to miss national.. they are waiting for u!

How could you not see the fit was off with this gown? I'm sure final night wasn't the first time you saw her in this gown if you did all the beading and stoning. The idea and concept was great, but my grandmother with cataract could have seen the fit was off. I concept of this gown was good and the presenation was good, but it was a little too over the top for me. It seemed like something you would see on a Project Runway challenge. The creativity was there, but I don't see that in any other system or a night out on the town.

I also disagree on Raquel's gown. The base of her gown was a lot more broad. And the judges loved it. She was second in gown only four points behind her Georgia sister Bianca.

No tea...but I just wanted to get my point across. Sometimes people just don't want to see certain things, but at the same time know that it's there.

Layla was still third in gown. So she was still rewarded for her creativty.

Creativity is only 20% of your gown score. And if I remember correctly thats in the presentation part of the gown. The rest of the points, the other 80%, are no different than what you'll get scored on in any other system. Right or wrong, thats just the facts.

I think the name "creative evening wear" is just a bit deceiving.


i have to agree with u as well.. i think it is a bit deceiving. when you think of creative evening gown it should be something creative different and unique. i mean an example of creativity to me would be taking some garbage bags and garbage ties together with some thread sew it together and some duct tape and then stoning it and making it look sickening (if you could do really do that) and have a creative way to present that.or thinking outside the box like Camille(not saying Camille is the only one that thinks outside of the box just using her as an example) does..I personally don't think the gown or suit should be something you can just hop into another pageant and wear. I think they maybe need to go more into detail in the rulebook on what your scored on especially if creativity is only 20% of the score. but that's just my two cents..
but then again one must ask where do you draw the line on to costume like when you look at ericka andrews dress that she wore on prelim night. im not knocking her or that dress cause i lived for it and her but isn't jessica rabbit costumey?
maybe the category should be named sickening gown or suit but with a creative presentation?

Raquels WAS THE :censored:!!!!!!!!! DOWN...... I THOUGHT WE WON GOWN.... SHE WAS IT!! NOW GO IN!!!.... DON'T BE LATE...

I MEAN.. I THOUGHT SHE WON GOWN!! LOL..

I understand why Raquel was 2nd in gown...But I still do not like her final night gown.....I just dont get it....But who can beat Raquel when it comes to modeling...I say nobody.....